Despite what you’d infer from the news articles, nuclear-powered submarines form just one part of the AUKUS Agreement. There is a whole other portion of the pact focused on other technological capabilities.

What is AUKUS pillar two? What kind of projects are underway under the auspices of this pillar? Are current export control regimes of AUKUS nations fit for purpose? And is expanding pillar two to bring in other countries a realistic goal? 

In this episode of ANU's National Security Podcast, the United States Studies Centre's Dr Miah Hammond-Errey and Ashley Townshend join Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College David Andrews to discuss pillar two of the AUKUS partnership between Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States.